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arnel90 wrote:For those who have a copy, care to share your listening experience?
bb3 wrote:makinao wrote:Damaged Goods wrote:i hope next time they put extra effort on the covers, since packaging plays an important part in an album release...in my opinion the covers look bootleg themselves...pics,write ups ,etc would be a good come on especially for us collectors.just my 2 cents..
and also double check sa spelling of songs
I'm really not surprised. AFAIK, mainstream recording companies see artwork, liner notes, packaging, even copy editing as nothing more than unnecessary added expenses. Consulting with, and involving the original artist(s), engineers, and producers costs more money. And being fastidious about technical quality costs yet more money.
To me, this rash of vinyl releases is nothing more than jumping on the bandwagon. I see no artistic, creative, nor technological framework driving these projects. All they want is our money. I for one will not give them any of mine.
I may have to agree on makinao on this one.
It is clear that the purveyors of this project are not really record enthusiasts. They fail to see the importance of liner notes, jacket design, etc the way we appreciate and see significance on those things.
An informative and historical perspective of the artist, the recording process, and the reason for this analogue reissue would have been a welcome legacy that the recording company would have left for future generations to appreciate.
I come from the printing/graphic arts industry. Adding liner notes won’t even cause a dent on the P1200 price they are asking. Also, a fine arts student or a budding graphic artist could render a more attractive jacket. Heck, he may even do it for free as long as he’s credited on the album. – I would!
Apparently, the recording company didn’t even consider this avenue; and as stated above, makes this seem like a rush and hurried project just for the sake of the bottom line.
The technicalities involved to produce good sound on these reissues have numerous challenges. I may close my eyes on an inferior sound quality and let it slide. I understand that these are beyond their control.
But I cannot understand why they cannot come up with a packaging befitting the importance of these reissues.
Talagang mukhang binale wala lang.
It seems that the recording company is missing the whole point of these vinyl reissues. This was a chance for them to be that pioneering spirit reintroducing vinyl and ushering the second golden age of analogue here in the country.
This was a chance for them to be a part of local music/recording history.
They blew it.
arnel90 wrote:For those who have a copy, care to share your listening experience?
dsoulman73 wrote:I may have to agree on makinao on this one.
It is clear that the purveyors of this project are not really record enthusiasts. They fail to see the importance of liner notes, jacket design, etc the way we appreciate and see significance on those things.
An informative and historical perspective of the artist, the recording process, and the reason for this analogue reissue would have been a welcome legacy that the recording company would have left for future generations to appreciate.
I come from the printing/graphic arts industry. Adding liner notes won’t even cause a dent on the P1200 price they are asking. Also, a fine arts student or a budding graphic artist could render a more attractive jacket. Heck, he may even do it for free as long as he’s credited on the album. – I would!
Apparently, the recording company didn’t even consider this avenue; and as stated above, makes this seem like a rush and hurried project just for the sake of the bottom line.
The technicalities involved to produce good sound on these reissues have numerous challenges. I may close my eyes on an inferior sound quality and let it slide. I understand that these are beyond their control.
But I cannot understand why they cannot come up with a packaging befitting the importance of these reissues.
Talagang mukhang binale wala lang.
It seems that the recording company is missing the whole point of these vinyl reissues. This was a chance for them to be that pioneering spirit reintroducing vinyl and ushering the second golden age of analogue here in the country.
This was a chance for them to be a part of local music/recording history.
They blew it.
dv187736 wrote:
Its good to have "pioneering spirit" but if the economics of doing the thing is not sustainable, what's the point then? If WS thinks it can produce the right (or better?) product then WS perhaps should take the challenge and be the pioneer.
At least these guys are trying.
dnk wrote:The needle dropped and we enjoyed enveloped ideas very much. By the middle of next track (Salamat), we started discussing how the reverbed vocals sounded like it was detached from the rest of the instrumentation, especially the backup vocals. It was at this point when we realized that the previous song sounded a bit similar but neither of us commnted because we were busy enjoying the song. The intro of love will set us free came and it was quite bright and harsh. Much like my experience with digital. We then both agreed to change the record.
Jon Agner wrote:I hope the PolyEast team will take the comments positively, and not think that its because "we are odyopayls" and we are hard to please The fact that there's a positive response on the present releases means that somehow, the previous comments were taken note and remedies were undertaken and he vinyl improved.
Like the others, I'm very much into the artwork and liner notes as well. I too like to read trivias and tidbits regarding the music and its recording, which are often part of the liner notes. It's a ritual of mine whenever I play records. A good artwork is attractive to the eyes and can serve as a come-on. Notice how record collectors care for the cover, aside from the vinyl itself? Record collectors value the cover and its artwork as much as the vinyl, as its the artwork that gives the vinyl the identity There are even some record collectors that buy records because of the artwork and not the music.
Why not experiment with your new artists and let them have an album release on vinyl? Maybe that will serve as a good start
Just my two cents
dv187736 wrote:Jon Agner wrote:I hope the PolyEast team will take the comments positively, and not think that its because "we are odyopayls" and we are hard to please The fact that there's a positive response on the present releases means that somehow, the previous comments were taken note and remedies were undertaken and he vinyl improved.
Like the others, I'm very much into the artwork and liner notes as well. I too like to read trivias and tidbits regarding the music and its recording, which are often part of the liner notes. It's a ritual of mine whenever I play records. A good artwork is attractive to the eyes and can serve as a come-on. Notice how record collectors care for the cover, aside from the vinyl itself? Record collectors value the cover and its artwork as much as the vinyl, as its the artwork that gives the vinyl the identity There are even some record collectors that buy records because of the artwork and not the music.
Why not experiment with your new artists and let them have an album release on vinyl? Maybe that will serve as a good start
Just my two cents
I referred Polyeast to this thread yesterday morning in their FB so they are aware of the comments, and perhaps give their side on the issue. So far, not feedback.
sumnerbrowne wrote:I think it's a good sign that:
1. They indicated the songs on each side of the actual vinyl disc with the latest outing vs the Bamboo and Martin LPs.
2. They made use of a better inner sleeve vs the first 3.
3. They used 1/4 reel tape for the master of the latest outing.
Having said all these, highly encourage them to read the rejoinders in this thread to improve their next outings further.
To quote Bill Gates, the best source of improvements are unhappy customers. From his Business at the Speed of Thought:
1. Focus on your most unhappy customers.
2. Use the technology to gather rich information on their unhappy experiences with your product and to find out what they want you to put into the product.
3. Use technology to drive the news to the right people in hurry.
If you use these three things, you'll turn those draining, bad news experiences into an exhilarating process of improving your product or service. Unhappy customers are always a concern. They're also your greatest opportunity. Adopting a learning posture rather than a negative defensive posture can make customer complaints your best source of significant quality improvements...
- Bill Gates, Business @ the Speed of Thought : Using a Digital Nervous System by Bill Gates, Collins Hemingway (Contributor) , ISBN: 0446525685
Kaizen, Polyeast!
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