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JackD201 wrote:I heard a client hook up a Cotter to his Lamm LP2's MM stage and we AB-ed using a DPS table, DV arm and a Koetsu Coral stone. With the MC input the presentation was clean and correct but clearly still Koetsu with the Cotter there were bursts of color. It was a really cool experience. I'll be watching this thread closely because I'm hoping to get another arm so I can use the MM stage of my own LP2 with some good SUTs.
JackD201 wrote:SUTs were kinda given bad press but so far the supposed nasties have never qualified as nasties to me. Thanks for the listings and impressions Lito
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dante wrote:I'm building a SUT for my system based on a pair of Altec Lansing 15095 transformers that I got from ePay. Have to find somebody to build the SUT for me though.
JackD201 wrote:phase shifts and non linearities leading to a loss in transparency mainly VD. I never noticed any such thing however when listening to SUTs in Mullards, MTs, yours or other systems. Valin makes some references to this in the LP2 review. I'm considering a Cotter or a Koetsu to match with my low output Koetsu.
pigdog wrote:i have been experimenting with SUTs for almost three years now and many of you has seen my collection of imput trannies turned SUTs this all came about after reading JE's online article on SUT. prior to that, i have always been frustrated by the active mc stage on solid state phono stages, particularly Musical fidelity, which i find to be totally unexciting and uninvolving; as luck would have it, i was able to acquire a used ortofon T20 many years ago and noticed the BIG BIG difference of a Passive SUT. but buying off the shelf SUTs are expensive, these things costs an arm and a leg, coming across JE's online article was very helpful, so off to ebay i go searching for Imput trannies, at that time altec 4722 are about USD150-200 a pair mounted on a chassis, 15095s are around 50bucks and beyerdynamics are less than usd5 each. i ended up buying a lot of these SUTS and the total costs of all 18 of my SUTS is still cheaper than say a Koetsu! dont get me wrong, i am not here to dissed on the Koetsus, which i believe is very good, but i certainly dont think it is a good idea to pay an arm an a leg for something where there are cheaper alternatives. also given the chance to acquire a koetsu on the cheap would be most welcome! i am still experimenting and discovering the different characters and quirks of each suts. i have some excellent ones such as the partridge, some duds like ferentis and some rather disappointing ones like an overpriced lundahls so far my favorites are many from 4722, to ortofon t20, to Tamuras, partridge and currently monitoring a pair of jorgen shou which i hoped will be a nice match for the EMT TSD 15 cart.
amandarae wrote:pigdog wrote:i have been experimenting with SUTs for almost three years now and many of you has seen my collection of imput trannies turned SUTs this all came about after reading JE's online article on SUT. prior to that, i have always been frustrated by the active mc stage on solid state phono stages, particularly Musical fidelity, which i find to be totally unexciting and uninvolving; as luck would have it, i was able to acquire a used ortofon T20 many years ago and noticed the BIG BIG difference of a Passive SUT. but buying off the shelf SUTs are expensive, these things costs an arm and a leg, coming across JE's online article was very helpful, so off to ebay i go searching for Imput trannies, at that time altec 4722 are about USD150-200 a pair mounted on a chassis, 15095s are around 50bucks and beyerdynamics are less than usd5 each. i ended up buying a lot of these SUTS and the total costs of all 18 of my SUTS is still cheaper than say a Koetsu! dont get me wrong, i am not here to dissed on the Koetsus, which i believe is very good, but i certainly dont think it is a good idea to pay an arm an a leg for something where there are cheaper alternatives. also given the chance to acquire a koetsu on the cheap would be most welcome! i am still experimenting and discovering the different characters and quirks of each suts. i have some excellent ones such as the partridge, some duds like ferentis and some rather disappointing ones like an overpriced lundahls so far my favorites are many from 4722, to ortofon t20, to Tamuras, partridge and currently monitoring a pair of jorgen shou which i hoped will be a nice match for the EMT TSD 15 cart.
Exactly! That is why I use a Cinemag. It has the same exact specs as the Altec 4722 but cost less than $100 a pair. FWIW, the person who designed the Altec 4722 is the same guy who designed and manufactures the Cinemag.
Don't take my word for it. Just read comparison on-line between the two. Better yet, if you have them side by side, try to compare. For a quick read, type "Cinemag vs Altec 4722" at AA, just for fun.
My other SUT is the best I ever heard! It's called Tribute and made by Pieter Trunier from amorphous core Cobalt. This SUT eats S&B TX103 for breakfast!
regards,
Abe
pigdog wrote:i just won a pair of Jorgen Shou imput trannies from ebay last night, these ones cost me a pretty penny, perhaps the most expensive i have ever paid for a SUT but given the reputations of these SUTs i think it will be worth it, and still cheaper than most 4722 going around in ebay. i also checked out this website
http://www.toonstudio.com/bobsdevices/cinemag.htm
i assume you guys were reading these as he is the main promoter of the cinemag. i know if this guy as he sells his stuff in ebay also. i find him a bit expensive, but if you just buy the cinemags alone and asked rene to mount it for you as i liked renes work better, i have bought from capt'n bob, while his wiring is very good, his boxes where of the cheap plastic varieties
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