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bass_nut wrote:
here is Chord Go Indigo ...attestation that iPod is audiophile grade music source
http://blog.stereophile.com/ces2009/go_indigo/
Chord demonstrated the absolutely stunning Indigo Advanced D to A ($15,000)
zenaudio wrote:Yes.
Hyperion wrote:Not for me. Ipod on its own is not audiophile quality in my opinion. My various sony walkman from the 80s sound much better.
I sure hope you are talking about the Discman. If not then I would totally disagree that an 80's casette player sounds better than the ipod lineout streaming FLAC files.Hyperion wrote:Not for me. Ipod on its own is not audiophile quality in my opinion. My various sony walkman from the 80s sound much better.
I have to disagree with this statement, as the Wadia transport is useless without an ipod, it is still part of the chain. If I would use the logic in your statement then what we should be crediting are the lossless files in the ipod, it would also be inaccurate to give credit to the Wadia too. As the ipod and the wadia just serve as means to deliver bit perfect data into the DACHyperion wrote:Ipod using Apple lossless Audio Codec + wadia iTransport + a good coax SPDIF cable + a good external DAC ... now that's another story. In this case, the Ipod is just storage and interface, while the actual audio components are the iTrasnport + external DAC so it would be inaccurate to give credit to the Ipod.
So Im guessing you are the distributor for the wadia transport? Like I said in my previous post, this was a very good setup, I gained more respect for the ipod after hearing thisHyperion wrote:By the way, I setup that Ipod Nano + Wadia iTransport + Bryston BDA-1 DAC + Jeff Rowland Continuum 500 + Focal Electra 1037Be at the Hifi Show.
insyte wrote:I sure hope you are talking about the Discman. If not then I would totally disagree that an 80's casette player sounds better than the ipod lineout streaming FLAC files.
I have to disagree with this statement, as the Wadia transport is useless without an ipod, it is still part of the chain. If I would use the logic in your statement then what we should be crediting are the lossless files in the ipod, it would also be inaccurate to give credit to the Wadia too. As the ipod and the wadia just serve as means to deliver bit perfect data into the DAC
So Im guessing you are the distributor for the wadia transport? Like I said in my previous post, this was a very good setup, I gained more respect for the ipod after hearing this
kenckn wrote:Doc Fer.....u have any "WALKMAN" for sale???
<snp> Cassette equipment needs regular maintenance, as cassette tape is a magnetic medium which is in physical contact with the tape head and other metallic parts of the recorder/player mechanism. Without such maintenance, the high frequency response of the cassette equipment will suffer.
One problem occurs when iron oxide (or similar) particles from the tape itself become lodged in the playback head. As a result, the tape heads will require occasional cleaning to remove such particles. The metal capstan and the rubber pinch roller can become coated with these particles, leading them to pull the tape less precisely over the head; this in turn leads to misalignment of the tape over the head azimuth, producing noticeably unclear high tones, just as if the head itself were out of alignment.<snp>
Hyperion wrote:insyte wrote:I sure hope you are talking about the Discman. If not then I would totally disagree that an 80's casette player sounds better than the ipod lineout streaming FLAC files.
Yup. I sell iTransports (and yes I can also sell Ipods for the matter ). But that has no bearing in this discussion - I have the same opinion even if somebody else was the distributor.
You noticed that I did not try to AB the sound of the Ipod vs the Ipod + iTransport + DAC at that time - why? Because there was no need to - the latter is simply overwhelmingly superior to our idea and aural experience of Ipod sound quality after all.
I guess its clear that in your opinion the ipod is not good, so I won't argue with that impression anymore.Hyperion wrote:insyte wrote:I sure hope you are talking about the Discman. If not then I would totally disagree that an 80's casette player sounds better than the ipod lineout streaming FLAC files.
Nope. I had a coupla discmans too and they sounded mediocre just like the Ipod. Same problem: weak dac, weak output stage. The sound was THIN and irritating even with "megabass" hahaha. (by the way, I also had a coupla Grado and Sennheiser cans and headroom amp at the time ... so cant blame it on crappy earphones etc)
Hyperion wrote:For all its foibles, at least the lowly casette never sounded thin or severely dynamically compressed - and a good metal or chromium dioxide casette is able to capture the "energy" of LPs when LPs are recorded into it unlike LP burned into CD.
Cassettes remained popular for specific applications, such as car audio, well into the 1990s. Cassettes and their players were typically more rugged and resistant to dust, heat and shocks than the main digital competitor (the CD). Their lower fidelity was not considered a serious drawback inside the typically noisy automobile interior of the time.
me wrote:I have to disagree with this statement, as the Wadia transport is useless without an ipod, it is still part of the chain. If I would use the logic in your statement then what we should be crediting are the lossless files in the ipod, it would also be inaccurate to give credit to the Wadia too. As the ipod and the wadia just serve as means to deliver bit perfect data into the DACHyperion wrote:Nope there is a BIG difference. The Ipod in this setup is just a storage and fancy user interface - no different from a pricey USB drive or a fancy memory stick or a little hard drive. With its internal DAC and output stage bypassed - it ceases to be an "audio component".
From Stereophiles: "I thought it was impossible to bypass the iPod's DAC. "So did we," said Wadia president John W. Schaffer. "Then we discovered the little-known fact that Apple had a process called 'authentication' that allowed mobile electronics companies to bypass the iPod's internal DAC."
"Authentication" refers to Apple's authentication chip, which essentially tells the iPod that it's okay to output raw digital audio or video data to the chip-enhanced component. The authentication chips are only available in Apple products or from products made by Apple-licensed third-party developers"
Agree at this point in time, the wadia is top notch as it does what its supposed to do. Hopefully wadia will come up with an ipod transport using I2S.Hyperion wrote:The iTransport is useless without it, that is a given but it is the iTransport that feeds the DAC a good SPDIF signal and it is the only device in the market that can do so at the moment (at least to my knowledge anyway) which is why it is called a "transport" - and does a very good job at it which is why it is a bonafide high end component.
Well honestly the wadia itransport is not needed at all if you have a PC IMHO, just use a streamer or connect via USB to the DAC. DACs are improving now, some have i2s implemented, or some other technology with very low jitterHyperion wrote:Note though that if someone can figure to feed the iTransport with say, a NAS which is in turn controlled by a portable PC ... then there would be no need for the Ipod.
Well I know that it doesn't matter in the discussion but it matters to me personally. I have to know who I am talking to, distributor (required to know a lot about the product and can give discounts ) vs fellow consumerme wrote:So Im guessing you are the distributor for the wadia transport? Like I said in my previous post, this was a very good setup, I gained more respect for the ipod after hearing thisHyperion wrote:Yup. I sell iTransports (and yes I can also sell Ipods for the matter ). But that has no bearing in this discussion - I have the same opinion even if somebody else was the distributor.
Though Im a believer in ABX testing, I have to agree with you on this. Ipod lineout + amp alone does not beat a setup with a high end external dac, which the wadia needs to shineHyperion wrote:You noticed that I did not try to AB the sound of the Ipod vs the Ipod + iTransport + DAC at that time - why? Because there was no need to - the latter is simply overwhelmingly superior to our idea and aural experience of Ipod sound quality after all.
Hyperion wrote:...
Nope there is a BIG difference. The Ipod in this setup is just a storage and fancy user interface - no different from a pricey USB drive or a fancy memory stick or a little hard drive. With its internal DAC and output stage bypassed - it ceases to be an "audio component". The iTransport is useless without it, that is a given but it is the iTransport that feeds the DAC a good SPDIF signal and it is the only device in the market that can do so at the moment (at least to my knowledge anyway) which is why it is called a "transport" - and does a very good job at it which is why it is a bonafide high end component.
Note though that if someone can figure to feed the iTransport with say, a NAS which is in turn controlled by a portable PC ... then there would be no need for the Ipod.
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kenckn wrote:Doc Fer & Doc"B"........I think we should have "SECRET" groupbuy that wadia itransport.........so we can instantly become audiophiles I know plenty head-friers sa HK are selling Pre-own itransport at very "CHEAP" price
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