Stunning.....The Official VR-4 SR Mk 3 thread

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Stunning.....The Official VR-4 SR Mk 3 thread

Postby JackD201 » Sat Jan 09, 2010 5:39 pm

The VR-4 SR Mk3 the latest in the VR-4 family are here in Piano Gloss Black the problem is I'm still trying to shake off the flu so we haven't set them up yet :(

I should have them up and running and going through the burn in cycle by the middle of next week though :)

On the outside, the latest model features a new Scanspeak tweeter with ribbon coils and a wide surround which replaces the older VIFA unit and a nextel coated midrange from AAD. They retain the SEAS aluminum woofers. Inside however the cabinets now sport the triple layer/material work kicked off in the Unifield 3 and a crossover redesign that follows from the VR-5 Anniversary and the implementation of the patented VSA G.A.I.N. Network which is tailor made for each driver to ensure pistonic behavior via a method dubbed "passive servo control". The driver installation also takes off from the Unifield 3 in that they are set in a special gasket material to prevent any ringing between the spiders and the baffles. The same material used to line the VR-5 SEs which in turn borrowed the material from US Navy subs.

The SR is currently the anchor of the VSA line at $12,000 in African Hazelwood and $16,000 for Piano Black. Sensitivity is at 91dB at a flat 4 ohms and frequency response is similar to the Mk1 and Mk2 at 20Hz to 25kHz.
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Re: Just In from the VSA Boys

Postby m_shoe_maker » Sat Jan 09, 2010 5:47 pm

JackD, picture pls. :)

maski wala akong pambili. :lol:
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Re: Just In from the VSA Boys

Postby randybarba » Sat Jan 09, 2010 6:25 pm

Ang pangarap ko :inlove:
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Re: Just In from the VSA Boys

Postby JackD201 » Sat Jan 09, 2010 6:32 pm

MSM I'll take pics when they're set up. They look almost the same from the front.

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Re: Stunning.....was.....Just In from the VSA Boys

Postby JackD201 » Mon Jan 25, 2010 7:52 pm

The SR IIIs are currently burning in side by side with a client's Lamm M2.2s. Once again Albert has managed to surprise me. The focus of the company has been the development of the Unifield line which is doing very well in the US, Asia and especially in Europe so I was expecting that the SR III update would not be particularly drastic. Well, it is. I'm still kinda stunned. While the 5 SEs and U3s paint pictures with a finer paintbrush, the new SRs are dangerously close in transparency and timbre. Here's what I wrote in the Von Schweikert Circle in Audio Circle whose members are both owners and fellow distributors from other parts of the world.

They are here and they are a revelation.

Much improved clarity in the midrange and sounding eerily like big Unifield 3s. I suspect that Albert has moved the crossover frequency up and over 4kHz on this iteration to achieve the effect. It also appears that the AAC midrange driver is less padded than the previous models giving improvements in "jump". The new non-liquid cooled tweeters are much quicker of the starting block enhancing transients while staying smooth but less laid back by the old Vifa ring radiator. I can see how these may have given Albert fits in the revised passive servo control circuit. The quicker the driver the more difficult to map and compensate.

What stood out to me is the low level resolution of timbres. They do come close to VR-5 SEs albeit I should add that the VR-5s are more delicate and pure up top and the Audax units have an edge in off axis response over the AAC units. Bass on the 5s are likewise quicker and more tuneful with as little as 50 watts of tube power while the Aluminum woofers the SRs go lower but need in my opinion at least 150 high current watts with out which the SRs are more midrangey and suffer from a mild but noticeable midbass suckout with not enough juice.

The SRs are very revealing and has rock solid imaging. So revealing that differentiating instrument sections in dense classical works is a breeze. Perfect for Peter and the Wolf session with your kids.

Fit and finish of the piano blacks is top notch and mirror like. I particularly like how the plinths are finished in piano lacquer as well. The back panels which now eliminate the datalink option is clean and classy and the binding posts have also been improved over the SR Mk1s.

All in all it is a stunning accomplishment in its price class. Matched with a quality high current amp, the SR MKIIIs make for a compelling backbone for mixed audio and HT system. They worked quite beautifully with the Lamm ML1.1 90wpc tube monoblocks but showed their true potential with the less expensive Lamm M2.2 220wpc hybrids. The VR-5s did well with either.

Kudos to VSA for giving two fantastic options in the Unifield 3 and the SR MkIII. Choosing between the two to my ears would depend purely on the size of the intended listening space as they both do so much right and do so little harm by offering practically no distractions from simply getting into the music.

Associated Equipment

Theta Pearl + Pro Prime Mk2 DAC
Lamm L2 Deluxe with CV491 input and Mullard ecc88 goldpin drivers
Lamm ML1.1 6c33c Tube Monoblocks
Lamm M2.2 Hybrid Monoblocks
Kubala-Sosna Emotion ICs
Von Schweikert Masterbuilt Bi-wires
Shunyata V-Ray and all Python Alpha PCs
Critical Mass Systems PXK for pre and CD front end
Critical Mass Systems Grand Master ampstands

Music used for evaluation
Madrigal Choir singing Filipino popular music
Harold And Lanschbery Le Fille Mal Gardee XRCD (Decca)
Everything But the Girl - Acoustic
Tiesto - In Search of Sunrise 4
James Taylor's latest Xmas CD
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Re: Stunning.....was.....Just In from the VSA Boys

Postby dante » Mon Jan 25, 2010 9:00 pm

Doc Randy, to quote MSM - "banat na bro!" :D :D :D

You know you want them! :devil:
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Re: Stunning.....was.....Just In from the VSA Boys

Postby JackD201 » Mon Jan 25, 2010 11:15 pm

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Re: Stunning.....was.....Just In from the VSA Boys

Postby randybarba » Wed Jan 27, 2010 8:32 pm

dante wrote:Doc Randy, to quote MSM - "banat na bro!" :D :D :D

You know you want them! :devil:


Yup, after hearing your biamped SR's with the very liquid midrange while being driven by Eric's 300B for the MT module, I definitely want them. Biglang tuyo ang tunog ng Mac/jr in comaparison. I have to refrain from listening for several days para makalimutan ko muna yung tunog ng set-up mo. Sana swertihin this year para may pambili ]:)
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Re: Stunning.....was.....Just In from the VSA Boys

Postby JackD201 » Thu Jan 28, 2010 1:48 am

Yeah bros the SRs MT modules average out at a true 96dB which means at 1 watt not 2.83 volts thanks to the ultra light 100dB 8ohm sensitive midrange. What's more is the driver is linear from 70 Hz up to 4khz. The gentle cascaded crossover means full crossover to the tweets are *classified* suffice it to say that the mids are running close to full range.They may spec out as 4 ways but in behavior are closer to the U3's. This sensitivity is definitely well within 300B territory. Many folks including Danny use theirs with 845s for the full stack. What people don't often remember is that Albert is a tube guy. The VR-6s and VR-8s were made for SET amps. The DB-100 and DB-99 are the direct descendants. The SRs were designed to converge hence the breaking away from the power hungry mold of the older Gen I, II and IIIs.
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Re: Stunning.....was.....Just In from the VSA Boys

Postby keith » Thu Jan 28, 2010 1:56 am

Bradder Cong. Mukhang naglinis ka. :D

I'd love to hear the SR mkIIIs bi-wired. ML2.1 and M2.2. :devil: That would be wicked.
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Re: Stunning.....was.....Just In from the VSA Boys

Postby amandarae » Wed Feb 03, 2010 6:38 am

Waay cool!

New toy for the good boy? :)


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Re: Stunning.....The Official VR-4 SR Mk 3 thread

Postby JackD201 » Mon Jun 07, 2010 11:16 pm

Seems I'm always jumping the gun on the reviewers and that they seemingly agree with me :)

Here ya go guys!

http://www.positive-feedback.com/Issue49/vr4sr.htm
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Re: Stunning.....The Official VR-4 SR Mk 3 thread

Postby JackD201 » Mon Jun 07, 2010 11:23 pm

Clipped from a thread of Jadis :)

jadis wrote:After a long, long time, I was able to visit the VS Lair in WW, thought to be in its final few months before the big move to the North Lair. Comrade JD ushered me into the 'lower chamber' :lol: aka 'the small room' where they have the luxury to baby sit 'giant toys'. :lol: Sitting there were a spanking brand new pair of VR4SR-MKIIIs, in stunning piano gloss black (So new I could not detect dust nor fingerprints. :lol: I heard the M.O. of Soviets agents was to use gloves all the time in field operations. Some of them even give away free gloves to audio dealers here). :D

UP CLOSE:

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Since my phone-cam does not have those fancy wide/zoom lens, I had to split the pic into 2 parts:

THE LEFT:

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And THE RIGHT:

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Though physically identical in body size and driver complements to the previous MKII model, I should say their sound is 'fraternal'. :lol: As in, they don't sound alike. Since Comrade J had made a review of these speakers in their own kingdom, :lol: I shall only put forth a few of my impressions after listening to them albeit in less than optimum gear 'warm-up' state. And of course, I heard the MKIIs with different set of electronics which were of top quality, but nevertheless, one is able to get a sense of their sound qualities. A short instrumental piece and then mostly a CD of The Madrigal Choir proved these speakers are a new breed from their previous siblings, namely the MKIIs. The most striking difference to me is the overall transparency. Without having to listen hard, the immediate notion is - there are no speakers. As Jack put it, it's like listening to planar speakers. I was just about to say that myself. It is now easily on par with the transparency of the Wilson WATT speakers, with its heavy and inert cabinets, at around twice the price too. The soundstage is huge too for its size, with ample 'height' as well. There is sound all around the speakers and the center fill is dead pan focused as well. Each singer is well defined too and tonally, there is a lot of body. All these coming from a pair of Theta transport and DAC combo and LAMM electronics. Pretty impressive. I can only imagine how great they would sound of the main room's analog rig. Maybe next time, when they travel to the North. Thanks, Comrade, for the 'revealing' session. :)
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Re: Stunning.....The Official VR-4 SR Mk 3 thread

Postby JackD201 » Tue Jul 06, 2010 3:29 pm

Oh boy foot in mouth disease hit me. I seriously jumped the gun on the VR-4 SR Mk.III.

In an earlier assessment I said the Mk.3s needed at least 150wpc to sound their best. As it turns out, I was wrong. VERY wrong.

REWIND <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

Upon setting up the SRs I prepared myself for the horror that is breaking in a Von Schweikert precision monitor. All Bozanians know what I'm talking about. Anyway with my trusty LSA break in amp away I got to burn in the SRs with the aforementioned Lamm M2.2s that needed burning in for their owner too. A hundred or so hours in, I figured I had better quit torturing the close to a million buckeroo amps. At this stage the SRs were still edgy and seemed to lack bass. Again normal at this stage but prior models were very much less so at this juncture.

The M2.2s were eventually delivered so I pressed into service my goodie midget the Bel Canto S300i. The Bel Canto is a 150wpc Class D amp and it is a little powerhouse. This little guy has been known to easily drive tough loads like Maggie 12s and 1.6QRs. In he went and for 10 straight days the SRs received a banging playing Tiesto's In Search of Sunrise 6. I was playing it so loud I could barely stand to be in the room to check for thermal distortion. On day 10 where the SRs now hit 300 hours, I said enough is enough. The little soldier of an amp actually got warm :D :D :D

What I noticed was the midrange surround. The AAD is a professional driver. Unlike the usual hi-fi driver it is made for low excursion. No bouncy foam or butyl surrounds here. Like most pro drivers like the cherished alnicos of yore the surrounds are stiff as boards. Now welcome to the space age. The aerogel age. What used to be stiff like cardboard when new was now very pliant. It now felt like tightly stretched electric tape whereas before it felt like hard craft paper. The edginess was apparently coming not from the tweeter but rather from the midrange that is crossed over much higher than the norm. How much higher? Albert won't say, and even if he did, I ain't saying :x Anyway, duty called and off I went to attend to the Presidential and Vice-Presidential canvass of which I was selected to act as one of nine to represent the House of Representatives. The SR Mk.IIIs received no playing time until after the inauguration.

Talking to Dante, I remember commenting that the Mk.3 was less romantic at the expense of the gains in clarity. I also said the same to an SR Mk.2 owner. I had mistakenly attributed this to the change in tweeter from the Vifa to the more expensive air cooled Scanspeak WSRR. Here is the rub. A few days ago, I decided to reconfigure the small room this time going all tube. Back in were the Lamm ML1.1 amps and the heavily Mullarded LL2 Preamp. When I hit play, I was shocked.

The mids and highs now running freely there was no more need for extra power for the bass to play catch up. The balance was and is spot on and the clarity allowed you to hear the mullards in action. As Raf put it the mullard blur. Quick, nimble, tonally seductive with a set of brass balls. Time to spike them I think. There is a sense of presence, of envelopment, that I previously found only in the VR-5 SE which costs a whole of a lot more. The 5 still outdoes the SR especially with classical music but elsewhere one might actually prefer the SR the way one might prefer the more robust sound of a Stone Koetsu to that of a XV-1s.

This is indeed a very special loudspeaker and one I am glad I am keeping. I am also very glad I was wrong!
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Re: Stunning.....The Official VR-4 SR Mk 3 thread

Postby dante » Tue Jul 06, 2010 4:24 pm

All I can say is, I'm glad I have my Mark 1s already, Jack, or I'll have ants in my pants about getting these babies! Doc Randy, ayan na! :devil:
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Re: Stunning.....The Official VR-4 SR Mk 3 thread

Postby Audiogeek » Tue Jul 06, 2010 5:02 pm

JackD201 wrote: A few days ago, I decided to reconfigure the small room this time going all tube. Back in were the Lamm ML1.1 amps and the heavily Mullarded LL2 Preamp. When I hit play, I was shocked.

This is indeed a very special loudspeaker and one I am glad I am keeping. I am also very glad I was wrong!


seems not wrong at all to me Jack. a happily singing marriage like this should always be together and forever. :)

Beautiful tube amp Stereophile ML1.1
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Re: Stunning.....The Official VR-4 SR Mk 3 thread

Postby randybarba » Tue Jul 06, 2010 6:15 pm

dante wrote:All I can say is, I'm glad I have my Mark 1s already, Jack, or I'll have ants in my pants about getting these babies! Doc Randy, ayan na! :devil:


He he he. I was able to listen to these babies very briefly before the elections and I knew I wanted them. Konting ipon pa (actually, maraming iipunin pa...but like my caddy always says whenever I ask him if I could hit the green with my wedge from 120 yards: "EVENTUALLY" :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: ;( )
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Re: Stunning.....The Official VR-4 SR Mk 3 thread

Postby JackD201 » Tue Jul 06, 2010 6:44 pm

Doc, You should hear it now. Ibang iba!
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Re: Stunning.....The Official VR-4 SR Mk 3 thread

Postby hypertriode » Tue Jul 06, 2010 6:56 pm

I had a good chance to listen to these awesome speakers! With the LSA-1 hybrid pa lang they excite already. For big speakers they do a good disappearing act! :o
I had favorite cuts on "The Commitments" soundtrack; but in this session I didn't wanna push the forward button :)
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Re: Stunning.....The Official VR-4 SR Mk 3 thread

Postby randybarba » Wed Jul 07, 2010 5:28 pm

JackD201 wrote:Doc, You should hear it now. Ibang iba!


Sige, please include me in one of the sessions in the lair in the near future :)
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