Conquering a square room (with Altec 2459a OBs)

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Conquering a square room (with Altec 2459a OBs)

Postby arnoldc » Tue Dec 28, 2004 9:08 am

To those who have noticed my whining about my square room, it's lack of bass, the suckout of music, etc. must have thought about kicking my ass to shut up :lol: :lol: :lol:

But now, I have a reason to rejoice ;)

I've finally tuned my Altec system (naks!) and have conquered the room. In this same problematic room, these speakers gave me big soundstage, upper, mid, and low, yes I said low, bass. Not to mention openness, dynamic of both micro and macro level, real efficiency, and great tonal balance.

All these for a staggering amount of P16,000 :D Of course guidance from the Altec boys - setup1, setup2, setup6, john (poscablo), plasticman (the initial inspiration), and red76, troporobo (lent me his Fostex tweets) - priceless!

Now I have enjoyed orchestral music from London Symphony Orchestra, Dallas Symphony, etc., like never before from mighty 3watts of power from my 2A3. Now, it's time to open my sealed Metallica S & M ;)

This is what 3watts and high efficiency, real high efficiency, can do for us. And it won't stop there, as vintage_dog lent me his Sun Audio VT-25, already gathering dust :lol: with its mighty 1.2watts delivered stunning dynamics with the Altec speakers. I am so convinced, this prompted me to finally axe my 300B and say goodbye to my 807. Welcome VT-25/10-Y and probably a 71 :twisted:

This room caused my Infinity Kappa to submit, only to raise the white flag when the Altec came.

The Kappa is now serving the living room system, where it sounded best!

End of whining... for good.
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Postby Audio_Tyro » Tue Dec 28, 2004 9:15 am

Congrats Pare!
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Postby s2kov » Tue Dec 28, 2004 9:28 am

Congrats arnold! :D
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Postby joe3rp » Tue Dec 28, 2004 9:36 am

Maybe this the reason BIG GUNS like Setup1, Mang Johnny and OldFogey have open baffle speakers considering thay can have the pick of any speakers...welcome to their club. Now should I try to pursue this route...ouch!!!!!! na naman!!!!
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Postby dogears » Tue Dec 28, 2004 9:37 am

Arnold the Conqueror na :D
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Postby arnoldc » Tue Dec 28, 2004 9:48 am

joe3rp, sir I'm now using the 406-8Y on a 614 cabinet ;) but the 2459A is on open baffle sitting on top of the 614 :)

micob, andy, thanks. moises, tamang UFC ka na naman ha :P
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Postby Jon Agner » Tue Dec 28, 2004 10:18 am

Naks... IMMORTAL na, CONQUEROR pa... nung square room!
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Postby ichabod » Tue Dec 28, 2004 10:36 am

Another congrats Arnold. That's the real audiophile spirit!

I can see you never give up on anything thrown at you. There's always the right equation for everything audio I believe. A task every single one of us must face and conquer. There's no bad sound out there if one knows how. Happy for you! You've done me much, motivating to do my set-up too real quick. Will probably call it set-up7 to keep the altec line!

No longer a "square" peg in a round speaker for sound!
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Postby arnoldc » Tue Dec 28, 2004 10:41 am

james, I'm offering vintage_dog an experiment on his 403's which could benefit you too in the end ;)
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Re: Conquering a square room

Postby iceman90a » Tue Dec 28, 2004 10:53 am

arnoldc wrote: Now, it's time to open my sealed Metallica S & M ;)



Uy - sama ako dyan Sir! :D
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Postby Audioboy » Tue Dec 28, 2004 11:14 am

congrats arnold. :!:

your altec system is one thing that i should not miss giving an audition.

hope i can visit your room soon.
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Postby arnoldc » Tue Dec 28, 2004 11:27 am

oo wag ka muna mag-isip ng kung ano ano :D daan ka muna dito, text me lang.

vince, text kita... pag bukas na :lol:
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Postby troporobo » Tue Dec 28, 2004 11:51 am

Arnold - I'm curious about your final speaker placement. Did you use anything similar to the Cardas method or is that approach not so useful for open baffles? I also have a square room and found it worked somewhat for my floorstanders, but there is lots of room for improvement still. tr
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Postby arnoldc » Tue Dec 28, 2004 11:58 am

robert, I never bothered with speaker placement this time. The soundstage is big enough to put me into it. With the Infinity I used Audio Physic method.
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Re: Conquering a square room

Postby jo2 » Tue Dec 28, 2004 6:22 pm

arnoldc wrote:
I am so convinced, this prompted me to finally axe my 300B and say goodbye to my 807. Welcome VT-25/10-Y and probably a 71 :twisted


"AXED the 300B?"

No..no..no...Surely not the venerable and mightiest 300b!

Sayang dre! :wink:
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Postby red76 » Tue Dec 28, 2004 6:48 pm

Hi Arnie,

Congrats! Seems to me parang ganito setup mo:

Dipole midhighs on top....

http://www.audio-consulting.ch/Kuhne2.jpg

http://www.audio-consulting.ch/215Raven3c.jpg
sideview with Raven tweeter added - not really needed!
Rather use a vintage Hornloaded Kelly Ribbon tweeter (aka known as Decca ribbons later) from 3k-20k IF you could fond one to sub the altec 8".
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Re: Conquering a square room

Postby vintage_dog » Tue Dec 28, 2004 11:12 pm

arnoldc wrote:... And it won't stop there, as vintage_dog lent me his Sun Audio VT-25, already gathering dust :lol: with its mighty 1.2watts delivered stunning dynamics with the Altec speakers. I am so convinced, this prompted me to finally axe my 300B and say goodbye to my 807. Welcome VT-25/10-Y and probably a 71 :twisted:


gotta hear those altecs driven by the mighty 1.2wpc VT25s! :)
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Postby arnoldc » Wed Dec 29, 2004 7:22 am

jo2, yes no 300B. well, at least with these speakers, I don't see a need for more than 3watts. So my 300B tubes will be stuck in the box for a long, long while.

red76, sort of. This is how it looks like.

The Altec 406-8Y on unfinished 614 cabinet with Altec 2459A on top with small open baffle. A black piano finish was suggested for these cabinets, but it seems to cost more than the entire thing :D

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vintage_dog,

The Altec 2459A fitted on my previous open baffle. Due to the excellent music reproduction I got from this combination, I will have a finished, decent-looking open baffle made.

I was surprised at how good this driver sounds on the open baffle. The same open baffle character was there - open, dynamic, big sounding, but on top of it, this 8-incher does convincing bass too.

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I'm not sure how this will go along with your room accent but, I know you have ways :)
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Postby BonD » Wed Dec 29, 2004 9:49 am

Congrats! :)

Happy New Year!! :)
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Postby setup6 » Wed Dec 29, 2004 10:22 am

Cool! Congratulations Arnold!
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